VenomFangX

VenomFangX är tillbaka på Youtube efter 2½ års bannlysning. Vad tycker vi om detta?
Jag har precis kollat igenom fyra av hans första nyupplagda videor och skrattar redan.

För er som inte känner till VenomFangX, här kommer lite info om honom och relaterade personer:

VenomFangX, eller "Shawn" är youtubes mest irriterande och envisa kreationist.
Thunderf00t är en av youtubes naturalister, vetenskapligt riktade människor, skulle mycket väl kunna vara Richard Dawkins long lost brother.

För några år sen så blev det en ganska brutal disput mellan dom två, och alla som övervakade deras disputer. Det hela resulterade i shitstorm och slutade med att VenomFangX blev borttagen från youtube. Men hans videor levde vidare. Här följer allt ni behöver veta om VenomFangX och Thunderf00t.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t#p/c/0/EOLejDyh2bI



För ett par veckor sedan så sade Thunderf00t att han är påväg att lämna youtube, eftersom det tar upp för mycket tid för honom. Vilket enligt min mening suger, för det här hade blivit jävligt intressant ;)

Brace for impact?

Jo men typ. Och så kan jag inte riktigt fatta att han faktiskt tog sin tid att motargumentera det jag påpekade, vilket var att.... läs själv:


MuffinJinReturns
You're not taking in the fact that our knowledge of science isn't wide enought to understand everything in the universe, nor will it ever will be. We can't measure God. If we can't measure God right now, it means that either we do not have sufficiently advanced technology to do so, or God is non-existent.

VenomFangX
Or it means God exists outside of the space-time domain in a higher dimension and thus no amount of technology in the space-time domain could detect Him.

MuffinJin
So what you are saying is that nothing in our space-time domain will ever be able to measure or detect God by any means, why even assume that he exists in the first place? I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about never ever ever ever by any means of technology or such be able to measure him. How would we have discovered even the idea of God, the creator of all things if nothing from God has been detected, or measured?

Synd att Thunderf00t drog för någon vecka sen också. Det här hade blivit jävligt intressant.

Han är ju underhållande :D

Citat från ErikSchwartz

VenomFangX skrev igen på youtube, med detta argument (det första är citat från mig):

hey
So what you are saying is that nothing in our space-time domain will ever be able to measure or detect God by any means, why even assume that he exists in the first place? I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about never ever ever ever by any means of technology or such be able to measure him. How would we have discovered even the idea of God, the creator of all things if nothing from God has been detected or measured? -you


Exactly!

The fact that men are aware of God shows that God has revealed Himself, because we could never discover Him on our own!


Mitt svar:

Interresting thought. However, this would lead to the conclusion that anything and anyone can exist, as long as we come up with the idea of that existence, much like the flying spaghetti monster, Krishna, or Thor. Are you saying that these examples of superstitial beings exist because they revealed themselves to us? I'm not saying that these particular Gods also exists outside of our space-time domain. I'm just saying that by your train of thought, anything and anyone can exist if the idea of that existance is brought up. We humans have a great mind of creation and I believe you agree with that. We are capable of such extraordinary things, beyond those of animals. However, don't you think that we as a human race used the idea of God to explain certain happenings in our world; happenings which we could not yet explain due to our limited knowledge of science?

VenomFangX: My point was simply that if God has not revealed Himself in some way, we wouldn't be speaking of Him.

Jag: May I ask why?
There are alot of things that have not revealed to us, yet we speak of it, know of it or even know what it looks like.

VenomFangX: It just seems to be that if God did not exist, we wouldn't be talking about Him in any capacity what so ever.

You could say, well spider-man doesn't exist, so why are we talking about him? But you will notice spiders and men exist, and that is why we have spider-man. What inspired the idea of God or gods, if not for a real God?

Jag: So you're saying that other gods are inspired by the christian God (if you believe that's the only true God, which I think you do if I'm not mistaken)? Even though many gods are older than the idea of the christian God, such as Ra, Apep or any of the other egyptian gods.

VenomFangX: Actually if the Bible is correct, the true God revealed Himself to the first man and woman (Adam and Eve) and the egyptian civilization and others didn't arise until many hundreds/thousands of years later.

Jag: Also, the definition of what a god is has been varying so much throughout the years it's not even funny. Spider-man will remain a chimera of a spider and a man. However, the image of God has been varying between all kinds of shapes and figures, like cats, humans and forces with weapons such as hammers, lightning bolts etc. to explain different natural phenomenon like thunder and storms. I hope you understand that this is why I believe the idea of gods, any god, was conceived because of our lack of knowledge of the natural order of the world and the universe.

VenomFangX: Precisely why the initial idea of God must come before the cat, human, hammers, and lightning bolts.

Jag: Again, how can he reveal himself is he doesn't exist in our space-time domain. Entering our universe/dimension means that he also has to obey the natural laws of physics, then what kind of God is he?

"Precisely why the initial idea of God must come before the cat, human, hammers, and lightning bolts."

How come? And what initial idea are we talking about? The "original" God? The source of all ideas of gods, and godesses?

VenomFangX: Let's take the "cat God" or the "thunder God" for example. We see cats, we hear thunder. People in different cultures all over the world came to the idea of attributing these things to "gods" without speaking to each other. Yet, the cat itself can not give us an idea of a "god", only a cat. Likewise, the idea of thunder does not invoke the idea of "god", only thunder. If the "cat" part of the "cat-God" came from the cat, then the "god" part must come from God. There is no other explanation as to how this idea was invoked other than man originally had the idea, and the idea continued to exist and be passed down from generation to generation, from the first man and woman to all their children as they spread out over the globe.

Jag: Actually, I wasn't talking about Cat-Gods or Thunder Gods in particular, I meant Gods personified as different animals (cats or whatever, each animal containing some kind of personality to these Gods) or for example a man with a hammer to explain why thunder is heard. That is why thunder once invoke the idea of an allmighty being hitting his hammer, e.i. a God.

VenomFangX: No one would attribute thunder to an all-mighty being without first having the idea of an all-mighty being.

Jag: Sorry to disagree with you on that one. I guess that's why we believe whatever we believe.

Sen, inget svar. Aja, intressant ride xD Han var inte lika jobbig som jag trodde, han försökte verkligen diskutera... men hans argument var roliga.

Att du ens orkar, killen är ju uppenbarligen galen. För övrigt så använde han donationspengarna som han sa skulle gå till välgörande ändamål till att köpa en ny bil. Säg det till honom och fråga hur kristligt det är.

Var det inte en ny HD-kamera som han köpte?
Jag hade för mig att det var det.

På encyclopedia dramatica stod det att det var en bil, men en HD-kamera är ju inte billig den heller så.

Nee, oavsett så är killen en lite iller som gör det som alla preachers gör.
Säger att det är till gud och välgörenhet men roffar åt allt åt sig själva.

Dom sätter folk som mor min till skam som faktiskt arbetar med kyrkan för att samla in pengar till välgörenhet.

Quidproquo och ErikSchwartz: Jag tror också på HD-kamera, för hans tidigare videor filmades med hjälp av en webcam. Nu har han green screen och allt möjligt skit.

Och ja, jag glömde lite bort att jag snackade med en kreationist tills han nämnde Adam och Eva... då log jag lite. Han har problem som måste fixas. Snabbt. Snälla, någon, låt han aldrig bli förälder -.- eller ännu värre... lärare! D;