Revolutionen i Ukraina
Just nu pågår en revolution i Ukraina. Bakgrunden till upploppen sägs bero på att Janukovitj vill stärka banden med Ryssland ytterligare istället för att närma sig EU.
Oppositionen är en spretig rörelse. Problemet är att oppositionen är nästan lika inkompetent som regeringen är kriminell, säger Per Anders Rudling, forskare vid historiska institutionen på Lunds universitet och expert på nationalism och Ukraina. Expressen 2014-01-25
I mitten av förra veckan fanns tecken på att regeringen tänkt gå den hårda vägen och använda våld för att slå ner protesterna som pågått sedan den 21 november. Men inget verkar bita på den uthålliga oppositionen som till viss del har svarat tillbaka med samma mynt. Skånskan 2014-01-26
Första reaktionen var att Ukrainas president Viktor Janukovitj kastat in handduken och kapitulerat genom att erbjuda oppositionen topposter.
Men oppositionens nej visar att de betraktade erbjudandet som ett sätt att försöka splittra dem.
Rentav köpa dem. Aftonbladet 2014-01-27
https://www.google.se/#q=ukraina&tbm=nws
Hur kommer det att vidare urarta?
Det är synd när auktoriteten kommer och pissar på fridfulla protester
Tyckte det var trevligt när det kom ett gäng präster engagerade sig
Här är en "nära-till-hands" artikel med bilder.
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html
1."They destroyed the whole city"
Not true. All of the action you see in the pictures are happening on a small square near the entrance to a Dinamo stadium. This is a government sector, there is no intereference in peaceful life outside of this area. If you make an analogy with Moscow, imagine that the barricades are someone in the area of Ilinka or Varvarka, near the president's administration. Sure, it's the center, but regular Moscovites wouldn't notice. There is dark smoke and fire on all pictures: those are mostly burning tires. There is not tangible damage to the buildings. Unfortunately one store burned down last night near the barricades, resulted from a poorly thrown molotov cocktail. Even the statue of Lobanovsky, located in the epicenter of fighting has been covered with cloth to prevent damage. Overall, the protesters are very careful regarding property. They've take apart fences and benches, but no windows are broken, noone is vandalizing, and all looters are caught and beaten. So the picture is pretty apocalyptic, but things are not so bad.
2. "This is not a revolution, nothing horrible is happeneing"
Also not true. This is a real revolution. Decide for yourselves: it's been two months since the center of Kiev has been in the hands of the opposition. Several government buildings are seized. The work of many government offices is paralyzed. The opposition has created barricades, which the authorities have not be able to take. Despite the freezing temps, tens of thousands of people are on the streets for the last two months. The system of defense and supply chain are established. There is perfect order at the protestor HQ, people are fed, dressed, people are pooling money to gather supplies. The most important thing: the people in power are unable to restore order. The police has failed several times at try to storm the barricades. I'll make a separate post about this, but trust me, the only way to dismantle this is with heavy artillery, or drop in commandos. Every day the opposition is securing more territories. What is this if not a revolution?
3. "The entire Kiev is paralyzed, there is no peaceful life for the regular people."
Kiev is living its own life. All stores and cafes are working, people are going to work, study in universities, get married, divorce and even die their own death. Most of the Kiev populace are not inconvenienced. Imagine if Navalny took over the Red Square and set up his camp there. What would change for you, Moscovites? Nothing. So the only people who are inconvenienced are toruists. A few stores and cafes had to close down in the very center. Also, those living in the center have troubles with logistics. But the entire Kiev is not paralyzed.
Lite bakgrund:
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-leader-requests-extraordinary-parliament-session-134050798.html
Kiev (AFP) - Crunch talks between the opposition and President Viktor Yanukovych failed Thursday to end Ukraine's crisis but an uneasy truce held after five days of deadly clashes between protesters and security forces.
Ukraine's three main opposition leaders held several hours of talks with Yanukovych but the relatively minor concessions offered by the president were greeted with derision by tens of thousands of protesters on Independence Square in Kiev.
In a development likely to severely alarm the embattled Yanukovych, angry protesters in half a dozen regions in the nationalist west of Ukraine seized control of regional adminstration buildings.
This week's clashes, which came after two months of protests over Yanukovych's failure to sign an integration deal with the European Union under Russia pressure, have turned parts of Kiev into a battle zone and left five activists dead.
EU-situationen.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-E-U-Pushed-Ukrain-by-Nicolai-Petro-European-Union_Russia_Ukraine-140116-811.html
ODESSA, Ukraine -- Both Russia and Ukraine consider themselves European nations, part of Western civilization, and in both countries pluralities favor membership in the European Union. So, how did the European Union manage to turn such a favorable situation against itself?
By pitting both nations against each other, and then attempting to force Ukraine to choose Europe over Russia. Instead of adopting a strategy that would have allowed Ukraine to capitalize on its close cultural, religious and economic ties with Russia, and which could have also served to build deeper ties between Western Europe and Russia, from the outset European negotiators went out of their way to turn Union association into a loyalty test.
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Critics of the Eurasian Union, however, make two additional points. One is that, because Russia will dominate such a union, it must sooner or later turn into a new incarnation of the old U.S.S.R. The other is that mutual trade benefits negotiated among former Soviet states must inevitably lead to economic stagnation.
As the region's largest economy, Russia will always be the driving force of the Eurasian Union, though less so as more nations join. But the notion that Russia will be able to restore the former Soviet Union through closer economic and trade ties is simply ludicrous. For one thing, state sovereignty is the cornerstone of the Eurasian Union. And, in any case, European Union mandates are already far more intrusive than anything being contemplated by the Eurasian Union. Therefore, if any group should be suspect of harboring aspirations that undermine national sovereignty, it is the European Union.
Röd analys
http://revolution-news.com/ukraine-autonomous-workers-union-update-euromaidan/
The Ukrainian repressive system leans on the police apparatus and street gangs of pro-government stormtroopers. Sometimes such paramilitary structures are commanded by retired police officers. Death squads are also in action. According to confirmed information, two people were kidnapped from a hospital and tortured. One of them died in a forest. Special forces use pinpoint firing against protesters, and not only from traumatic guns. One of the killed, according to a photo of his body, was shot in his heart. According to all indications he was a victim of a sniper. In the morning of January 23 the number of the killed constituted from 5 to 7 persons. And we dont know the real scale of violence.
Kring nazisterna närvarande på demonstrationerna
https://libcom.org/news/neo-nazis-far-right-protesters-ukraine-23012014
The far-right in Ukraine are acting as the vanguard of a protest movement that is being reported as pro-democracy. The situation on the ground is not as simple as pro-EU and trade versus pro-Putin and Russian hegemony in the region.
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http://www.anarkismo.net/article/26669
Why is the Free Association Agreement with the EU (which would mostly benefit the ultra-rich oligarchs of Ukraine) deliberately being construed as actual integration? Ukrainian leaders backed off from signing it at the last minute. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to pull Ukraine into her Customs Union by offering Kyiv a deal for promised purchases of billions of euro of Ukrainian products, and a 30 percent discount on Russian Natural Gas.
Denys explains that when the protests broke, the political class of Ukraine was taken by surprise. However, the opposition, a coalition leaning towards far-right (with fascist Svoboda being the most visible of them all) quickly regrouped and turned the street into their PR machine. The opposition had massive demonstrations in their plans, as fascist Svoboda's leader declared in an interview in March 2013. Evidence emerged of the opposition leaders plans to overthrow the current government with the financial and political support of Germany's conservative Angela Merkel, the EU leaders from Brussels, and with visible support of the United States, whose envoy, conservative John McCain was the guest star of the Euromaidan.
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The transcript of the interview with Denys has been slightly edited from the spoken language into the written one, for more clarity. The edited parts are in brackets. You may also listen to it here.
Denys: You must distinguish between the two Euromaidans. (In) the first one which (took place) on November 21st, middle class people (participated), who mostly wanted the signing of that European Union agreement. However, today (our note - two months later), most of the people who are on the streets are concerned with rather more practical issues, such as police brutality, which was shown on the night of December 1st, and generally they are not happy with the government and the president. So the European integration remains a wider issue, but today it's kind of the second place.
(As far as) the pro-government protests (are concerned): the people (who participated in them) were taken by the government on busses and (brought) to Kyiv for the weekend. (These) protests were not honest. Many people who work for the government, like teachers, doctors and so on, were told by their bosses that they have to do it. So, it was like mandatory for them. I would not say this (was) a real protest. But (regarding) the people who support the Union with Russia and Belarus and Kazakhstan, yes, there is such an opinion and, as a whole, the country is divided more or less 50-50 regarding the integration into the European Union or the Customs Union.
The problem is that the second position is just not very represented in mass media which lean towards the other direction (pro-EU). And generally those people (who support the Customs Union) do not have the habit of protesting. They live in smaller towns and therefore they are not (represented in the media as much as those who live in the capital).
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Asheville Fm radio: With the supporters versus the detractors of the EU inclusion, I can see a dividing up according to social norms, as you mentioned, so people who are maybe more social liberal (are) maybe leaning towards the West with its more progressive laws and same sex marriages, and then on the right side you have more conservative, more orthodox leaning - it will be a different orthodox church than the Russian orthodox - I'm sure that, depending on where you are in the country or what industry you're in, you're going do more business generally with the East or the West. But would you say that both the positions are basically more towards liberalizing the economy and weakening workers's rights within Ukraine, or is it sort of a false bind for workers in Ukraine?
Denys: First of all you talked about the prevailing social liberalism among the pro-EU (Ukrainians). I would not really agree with that. There is such an impression because the pro-EU protests are headed by the educated middle class people who do have a (sort) of more social liberal agenda.
But still it's more like cultural right versus cultural right.
So, for example, regularly, people at the Euromaidan pray publicly like together, all together. Then again, (regarding) the same sex marriages (issue): most people who stand for the EU integration would never accept it.
(Indeed) the social issues regarding the workers' rights are not on the agenda at all. The working class, as a class, does not take part in these events at all. The workers naturally do take sides, but they are not organized in class-like organisations, in unions, as such they just don't participate in these events. And they have good reasons for this, because both sides just talk about the cultural, political issues, which don't have any direct connection to needs of an average worker.
The protesters who support the EU have the utterly false impression about Europe as some paradise where everything is all right, everything is much better than in Ukraine or anywhere else. It's useless to tell them about the protests within the EU, about the austerity programs. They just don't listen and they would say, "Ah, so you would better join Russia, wouldn't you!"
So this false choice is just overwhelming and I think the same could be said about the opposite side. The leftist agenda, the workers' rights agenda, is just not present at any of these squares (where people protest).
Regimen är skit. Men fascistjävlarna i oppositionen är inte ett dugg bättre.
Man måste avsätta Janukovitj. Hade han varit en förståndig man hade han lämnat tronen från första början, det är hans jobb att göra det bästa för folket, vilket han tydligen inte gör.
Det här kommer gå så jävla dåligt.
Minst tre nazistgrupper som varit med och vem vet hur mycket deras inflytande blir nu?
Ungern 2 säger jag. Jag hoppas det inte slår in.
Ryssen ockuperar Ukraina och denna tråd och typ 10 posts medans i-lands-problem-trådarna spammas sönder. Lulz.
Citat från heaton
Ryssen ockuperar Ukraina och denna tråd och typ 10 posts medans i-lands-problem-trådarna spammas sönder. Lulz.
Det är för att folk är omedvetna om vad som händer i världen. Visst är det vackert?
Fast å andra sidan kan man ju inte vika sig och konstant vara oroad för detta, man måste återgå med sitt eget liv och sina egna i-landsproblem.
Liksom, inte gav Anne Frank upp att vara partyjewgirl bara för att hon gömde sig och världen runtomkring henne låg i trasor.
/lite positiv.
Jag är definitivt mer oroad över det här än diverse i-landsproblem. Jag vill inte ha krig, jag vill inte dö. Ukraina är nära.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/02/ukraine-warns-russia-crimea-war-live
Vladimir Putin has declared war on Ukraine, the acting prime minister in Kiev, Arseniy Yatseniuk, has said, as Ukraine called up its military reserves in readiness to fight. Ukraine also ordered its troops to resist responding to Russian provocations for fear of triggering a bloodbath.
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There were demonstrations both for and against Russian intervention in Ukraine in Moscow. There were at least 10,000 people at the pro demonstration, according to AP, although reporters said some were ordered to be there. The anti demonstration was much smaller but saw at least 50 people detained by Russian police.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/thousands-march-pro-invasion-rally-moscow
But among many at the rally, active support seemed paper thin. Many were delivered to the square by buses marked as city government property, and others confessed that they had been forced by their employers to attend.
"The boss forced us to come," said Elena, who wouldn't give her last name for fear of repercussions at her workplace. "Do you really think that all these people came here voluntarily? Never."
Citat från heaton
Ryssen ockuperar Ukraina och denna tråd och typ 10 posts medans i-lands-problem-trådarna spammas sönder. Lulz.
Emocore - där SD och feminism är ett större huvudbry än en europeisk storkris.
Hemskt krig. WWIII habbening.
Jävla Ryssarna ska lägga sig i allting... Putinfan
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